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I had my regular aquanatal class (I love that word, aquanatal - it sounds like a brand name, like Teasmaid) yesterday, and there were over a dozen people there. Before the class, I spoke to one of the other women, while we were sitting at the edge waiting. She's one who swims without getting her hair or makeup wet.

She:I have seven weeks left, and I wish I knew when it was going to happen! Not knowing is driving me insane!
I:(laughing) Well, there's always elective C-section!
She: Yes, but when I said that to them, everyone acted as though I'd said something bad.
I:(stunned silence)

I don't think I've ever met someone who didn't want to avoid C-section at all costs before; the most pro-C-section I've encountered are people who are willing to concede that it might be medically necessary.

A while after the class had started, 12 women bobbing up and down astride u-shaped polystyrene floats of various colours, I noticed that we had a few less refined accents among us, and people were - godhelpus - conversing. Yes, you heard me, conversing. A gaggle of terribly well-arranged blonde-streaked hair women, with makeup, were talking about what a waste of time this class was and how unpleasant the pool was. A few more realistic looking women were remarking on how heavy / fat / tired / unfit they felt, and people commented on babies moving, legs aching, and the temperature of the pool. It was most un-British. I bet they wouldn't dare to do it on the Tube.

Then we had a couple of late arrivals - our first fat person (no surprise; thin people are far more likely to attend a semiclad exercise event, I imagine), and our first black person. This was good - the idea of a classfull of pregnant women in Reading, of all places, and everyone being white, was a bit weird. I was blaming it on antenatal exercise being such a middle-class thing, but I find it hard to believe that there aren't some middle-class black people too. I get nervous in homogenous groups when I know that outside in the street the mix is quite diverse. As far asI could tell, neither new arrival spoke to anyone. This didn't worry me unduly, as no-one spoke to me the first week I was there either; I made a point of saying goodbye to them both, though, since complete ostracism isn't encouraging.

My mother said "I hope you talked to her [the black woman]; you're both foreign, at least." I pointed out that I am, in fact, foreign, but the black woman is probably British for two or three generations if not longer. Of course, I'll talk to her anyway, even if she is British, because she is the only one without a Mothercare maternity swimsuit, which means she has found - da dadada DAAA - a source of clothing for bumpy people.

Yesterday evening, we went over to Janice's again to eat and sort of help packing. The baby woke up and went absolutely berserk at about nine-ish; it didn't settle down again until quite late. It really wants me to stop breathing.

And today, I called the doula people again; they are having trouble finding one in my area who is free to come in April. They are going to try Oxford-based people next, and if that doesn't work, they are running another course in February and may be able to get someone fresh off that course for me. The last option, I think, is that my midwife (all hail the mighty midwife, for she is kind and reassuring above and beyond what the medical profession generally has led me to expect!) knows someone who might do. I really would prefer to have a doula, because she won't panic the way me and Rob probably will.

I am also importing my mother for around the time of the due date, but I can't depend on her being here when the baby decides it's due, really. Plus I'd rather not have her observe the actual birth, for some reason which I could probably analyse if I thought it mattered a damn.

I have placed a bid for something on Ebay, since it's something we need anyway - a Moses basket. I have just enough money saved up to cover it, in the Baby Furnishings Fund, and yesterday the covers from my baby sister's Moses basket showed up; she had them at 12 days old, and they have been used by both my niblings since, and by a half-Swedish baby called Elva.

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Date: 2004-01-28 06:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lovingboth
Attitudes to Caesarians are definitely class/culture-based. Pick another group of mums-to-be and you'd be listening to calls booking their electives.

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Date: 2004-01-28 08:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] buzzy-bee.livejournal.com
Ailbhe: I think I forgot to say I'd friended you... Saw you popping up in the OU and pregnancy groups.

Anyway...

There are some issues around election c-sections that aren't just about personal choice. There is limited capacity to perform c-sections, no matter what the health system. Only so many can be performed at once. The risk is that if staff/facilities are being used to perform unnecessary c-sections, emergency c-sections may be delayed.

There was a case at my local hospital where a c-section was delayed by an hour due to facilities and staff being unavailable (conducting other c-sections). By the time they carried it out, the baby had died. There is an independent inquiry underway at the moment (we gave evidence to it, in fact) so we shall see what is concluded, but it has been widely suggested that the hospital concerned's high c-section rate may have contributed to the delay (as did staff shortages, in fact).

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Date: 2004-01-28 06:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mactavish.livejournal.com
When I worked in infant care at a community college, we had a tiny baby whose mother was in the college nursing program, and scheduled her c-section for the Friday before Easter vacation so she could spend the week recovering and be back in class on time. We got her baby when it was just over a week old. (Later, the rules were re-drawn to require a baby to be three months old when it started the program.)

Just this year, a woman in Portland, Oregon, had a baby due in the first week of January but scheduled a c-section for 12:01 am on 1/1/2004 so she could be the official "first baby of the new year" for Portland.

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Date: 2004-01-28 07:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mactavish.livejournal.com
With the former, had she missed that semester (and she would have been granted a health leave) it would have postponed her finishing by six to nine months.

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Date: 2004-01-28 07:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nex0s.livejournal.com
i have to say that if i were in the program i'm in and had gotten pregnant and wanted to have ... well, i gotta say elective C section if the timing worked out would be best.

however, for my own life, in reality, i'd rather not have a baby while in school and do it au natural later on.

re: Doula
i've thought of doing that professionally. i acted as a doula for my friend, the Mama, when she had Peanut. maybe that's what i'll do when i retire! study to be a Doula :)

n.
who has been thinking she'd get a PhD when she retires, but being a doula would be really cool too....

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Date: 2004-01-28 08:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] buzzy-bee.livejournal.com
Have you considered an independent midwife? Pricier, but an option if you cannot find a doula. Some will only do homebirths though and some hospitals will not issue them with honorary contracts.

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Date: 2004-01-28 08:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] buzzy-bee.livejournal.com
i have to say that if i were in the program i'm in and had gotten pregnant and wanted to have ... well, i gotta say elective C section if the timing worked out would be best.

I have a friend who dealt with an infected wound after a (medically necessary, emergency) c-section. It took 8 weeks before the wound closed and she still has pain as a result. For the first few weeks she could not carry her baby any distance. Its major surgery.

I have to wonder how one would cope on a course, which presumably involved attendance and *sitting* for long periods, whilst recovering from major abdominal surgery.

Sitting

Date: 2004-01-28 10:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggsybabes.livejournal.com
I was medically incapable of leaving the flat for about 2 weeks after my emergency c-section. I was driven in the car a week after Kate was born to my MIL's house even though I didn't feel up to it. I felt awful coming home again & passed out when we reached home as it was just too much too soon. It is major surgery & I wouldn't have been expected to get out of bed let alone go to someone's house for a big lunch if I'd had another type of major surgery I;m sure.

Labour

Date: 2004-01-28 10:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiggsybabes.livejournal.com
My MIL was with me (& Andy) for a good few hours of my labour as she aksed me if she could. I was a bit stunned & said "yes" without thinking & then just forgot about it. I didn't mind at all tbh, even though I'm shy & private about my body, but pregnancy takes that attitude away from you. She was very useful at the end when it was all getting too much as she demanded that a midwife came & saw me immediately & shouted until someone did. Very un-British & exactly what I needed.

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Date: 2004-01-28 11:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] astrogeek.livejournal.com
Tammy (Alex's wife) was planning to train as a doula. I don't know if she ever managed to do the course, but she has been through it 3 times herself and lives pretty nearby.

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Date: 2004-01-28 01:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ai731.livejournal.com
and they have been used by both my niblings since

"niblings"

Good word. I think I shall adopt it for describing my cousins' children.

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